diff --git a/.pre-commit-config.yaml b/.pre-commit-config.yaml
index 36340642..9cd63760 100644
--- a/.pre-commit-config.yaml
+++ b/.pre-commit-config.yaml
@@ -25,3 +25,7 @@ repos:
     sha: v0.6.4
     hooks:
     -   id: add-trailing-comma
+-   repo: meta
+    hooks:
+    -   id: check-useless-excludes
+    -   id: check-files-matches-any
diff --git a/pre_commit/commands/autoupdate.py b/pre_commit/commands/autoupdate.py
index a80c6b40..ca0ed5e2 100644
--- a/pre_commit/commands/autoupdate.py
+++ b/pre_commit/commands/autoupdate.py
@@ -11,6 +11,7 @@ import pre_commit.constants as C
 from pre_commit import output
 from pre_commit.clientlib import CONFIG_SCHEMA
 from pre_commit.clientlib import is_local_repo
+from pre_commit.clientlib import is_meta_repo
 from pre_commit.clientlib import load_config
 from pre_commit.commands.migrate_config import migrate_config
 from pre_commit.repository import Repository
@@ -115,7 +116,7 @@ def autoupdate(runner, tags_only):
     input_config = load_config(runner.config_file_path)
 
     for repo_config in input_config['repos']:
-        if is_local_repo(repo_config):
+        if is_local_repo(repo_config) or is_meta_repo(repo_config):
             output_repos.append(repo_config)
             continue
         output.write('Updating {}...'.format(repo_config['repo']))
diff --git a/pre_commit/meta_hooks/check_files_matches_any.py b/pre_commit/meta_hooks/check_files_matches_any.py
index d253939e..8c9a92d8 100644
--- a/pre_commit/meta_hooks/check_files_matches_any.py
+++ b/pre_commit/meta_hooks/check_files_matches_any.py
@@ -1,16 +1,16 @@
 import argparse
 
 import pre_commit.constants as C
+from pre_commit import git
 from pre_commit.commands.run import _filter_by_include_exclude
 from pre_commit.commands.run import _filter_by_types
-from pre_commit.git import get_all_files
 from pre_commit.runner import Runner
 
 
 def check_all_hooks_match_files(config_file):
     runner = Runner.create(config_file)
-    files = get_all_files()
-    files_matched = True
+    files = git.get_all_files()
+    retv = 0
 
     for repo in runner.repositories:
         for hook_id, hook in repo.hooks:
@@ -20,9 +20,9 @@ def check_all_hooks_match_files(config_file):
             filtered = _filter_by_types(filtered, types, exclude_types)
             if not filtered:
                 print('{} does not apply to this repository'.format(hook_id))
-                files_matched = False
+                retv = 1
 
-    return files_matched
+    return retv
 
 
 def main(argv=None):
@@ -32,7 +32,7 @@ def main(argv=None):
 
     retv = 0
     for filename in args.filenames:
-        retv |= not check_all_hooks_match_files(filename)
+        retv |= check_all_hooks_match_files(filename)
     return retv
 
 
diff --git a/pre_commit/meta_hooks/check_useless_excludes.py b/pre_commit/meta_hooks/check_useless_excludes.py
index 89448d78..189633a8 100644
--- a/pre_commit/meta_hooks/check_useless_excludes.py
+++ b/pre_commit/meta_hooks/check_useless_excludes.py
@@ -4,11 +4,15 @@ import argparse
 import re
 
 import pre_commit.constants as C
+from pre_commit import git
 from pre_commit.clientlib import load_config
-from pre_commit.git import get_all_files
+from pre_commit.clientlib import MANIFEST_HOOK_DICT
+from pre_commit.schema import apply_defaults
 
 
 def exclude_matches_any(filenames, include, exclude):
+    if exclude == '^$':
+        return True
     include_re, exclude_re = re.compile(include), re.compile(exclude)
     for filename in filenames:
         if include_re.search(filename) and exclude_re.search(filename):
@@ -18,28 +22,31 @@ def exclude_matches_any(filenames, include, exclude):
 
 def check_useless_excludes(config_file):
     config = load_config(config_file)
-    files = get_all_files()
-    useless_excludes = False
+    files = git.get_all_files()
+    retv = 0
 
-    exclude = config.get('exclude')
-    if exclude != '^$' and not exclude_matches_any(files, '', exclude):
+    exclude = config['exclude']
+    if not exclude_matches_any(files, '', exclude):
         print(
             'The global exclude pattern {!r} does not match any files'
             .format(exclude),
         )
-        useless_excludes = True
+        retv = 1
 
     for repo in config['repos']:
         for hook in repo['hooks']:
-            include, exclude = hook.get('files', ''), hook.get('exclude')
-            if exclude and not exclude_matches_any(files, include, exclude):
+            # Not actually a manifest dict, but this more accurately reflects
+            # the defaults applied during runtime
+            hook = apply_defaults(hook, MANIFEST_HOOK_DICT)
+            include, exclude = hook['files'], hook['exclude']
+            if not exclude_matches_any(files, include, exclude):
                 print(
                     'The exclude pattern {!r} for {} does not match any files'
                     .format(exclude, hook['id']),
                 )
-                useless_excludes = True
+                retv = 1
 
-    return useless_excludes
+    return retv
 
 
 def main(argv=None):
diff --git a/pre_commit/repository.py b/pre_commit/repository.py
index 8adcbec0..2eb62ecb 100644
--- a/pre_commit/repository.py
+++ b/pre_commit/repository.py
@@ -128,6 +128,12 @@ def _hook(*hook_dicts):
     return ret
 
 
+def _hook_from_manifest_dct(dct):
+    dct = validate(apply_defaults(dct, MANIFEST_HOOK_DICT), MANIFEST_HOOK_DICT)
+    dct = _hook(dct)
+    return dct
+
+
 class Repository(object):
     def __init__(self, repo_config, store):
         self.repo_config = repo_config
@@ -226,14 +232,8 @@ class LocalRepository(Repository):
 
     @cached_property
     def hooks(self):
-        def _from_manifest_dct(dct):
-            dct = validate(dct, MANIFEST_HOOK_DICT)
-            dct = apply_defaults(dct, MANIFEST_HOOK_DICT)
-            dct = _hook(dct)
-            return dct
-
         return tuple(
-            (hook['id'], _from_manifest_dct(hook))
+            (hook['id'], _hook_from_manifest_dct(hook))
             for hook in self.repo_config['hooks']
         )
 
@@ -258,33 +258,32 @@ class MetaRepository(LocalRepository):
         from pre_commit.meta_hooks import check_files_matches_any
         from pre_commit.meta_hooks import check_useless_excludes
 
-        # Note: the hook `entry` is passed through `shlex.split()` by the
-        # command runner, so to prevent issues with spaces and backslashes
-        # (on Windows) it must be quoted here.
+        def _make_entry(mod):
+            """the hook `entry` is passed through `shlex.split()` by the
+            command runner, so to prevent issues with spaces and backslashes
+            (on Windows) it must be quoted here.
+            """
+            return '{} -m {}'.format(pipes.quote(sys.executable), mod.__name__)
+
         meta_hooks = [
-            {
-                'id': 'check-useless-excludes',
-                'name': 'Check for useless excludes',
-                'files': '.pre-commit-config.yaml',
-                'language': 'system',
-                'entry': pipes.quote(sys.executable),
-                'args': ['-m', check_useless_excludes.__name__],
-            },
             {
                 'id': 'check-files-matches-any',
                 'name': 'Check hooks match any files',
                 'files': '.pre-commit-config.yaml',
                 'language': 'system',
-                'entry': pipes.quote(sys.executable),
-                'args': ['-m', check_files_matches_any.__name__],
+                'entry': _make_entry(check_files_matches_any),
+            },
+            {
+                'id': 'check-useless-excludes',
+                'name': 'Check for useless excludes',
+                'files': '.pre-commit-config.yaml',
+                'language': 'system',
+                'entry': _make_entry(check_useless_excludes),
             },
         ]
 
         return {
-            hook['id']: apply_defaults(
-                validate(hook, MANIFEST_HOOK_DICT),
-                MANIFEST_HOOK_DICT,
-            )
+            hook['id']: _hook_from_manifest_dct(hook)
             for hook in meta_hooks
         }
 
diff --git a/tests/commands/autoupdate_test.py b/tests/commands/autoupdate_test.py
index 9ae70c64..7119c6be 100644
--- a/tests/commands/autoupdate_test.py
+++ b/tests/commands/autoupdate_test.py
@@ -295,6 +295,24 @@ def test_autoupdate_local_hooks_with_out_of_date_repo(
     assert new_config_writen['repos'][0] == local_config
 
 
+def test_autoupdate_meta_hooks(tmpdir, capsys):
+    cfg = tmpdir.join(C.CONFIG_FILE)
+    cfg.write(
+        'repos:\n'
+        '-   repo: meta\n'
+        '    hooks:\n'
+        '    -   id: check-useless-excludes\n',
+    )
+    ret = autoupdate(Runner(tmpdir.strpath, C.CONFIG_FILE), tags_only=True)
+    assert ret == 0
+    assert cfg.read() == (
+        'repos:\n'
+        '-   repo: meta\n'
+        '    hooks:\n'
+        '    -   id: check-useless-excludes\n'
+    )
+
+
 def test_updates_old_format_to_new_format(tmpdir, capsys):
     cfg = tmpdir.join(C.CONFIG_FILE)
     cfg.write(
diff --git a/tests/meta_hooks/hook_matches_any_test.py b/tests/meta_hooks/hook_matches_any_test.py
index 92c6fc45..005cdf68 100644
--- a/tests/meta_hooks/hook_matches_any_test.py
+++ b/tests/meta_hooks/hook_matches_any_test.py
@@ -25,7 +25,7 @@ def test_hook_excludes_everything(
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_files_matches_any.main(argv=[]) == 1
+        assert check_files_matches_any.main(()) == 1
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     assert 'check-useless-excludes does not apply to this repository' in out
@@ -50,7 +50,7 @@ def test_hook_includes_nothing(
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_files_matches_any.main(argv=[]) == 1
+        assert check_files_matches_any.main(()) == 1
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     assert 'check-useless-excludes does not apply to this repository' in out
@@ -75,7 +75,7 @@ def test_hook_types_not_matched(
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_files_matches_any.main(argv=[]) == 1
+        assert check_files_matches_any.main(()) == 1
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     assert 'check-useless-excludes does not apply to this repository' in out
@@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ def test_hook_types_excludes_everything(
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_files_matches_any.main(argv=[]) == 1
+        assert check_files_matches_any.main(()) == 1
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     assert 'check-useless-excludes does not apply to this repository' in out
@@ -124,7 +124,7 @@ def test_valid_includes(
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_files_matches_any.main(argv=[]) == 0
+        assert check_files_matches_any.main(()) == 0
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     assert out == ''
diff --git a/tests/meta_hooks/useless_excludes_test.py b/tests/meta_hooks/useless_excludes_test.py
index 8b6ba7b0..08b87aa8 100644
--- a/tests/meta_hooks/useless_excludes_test.py
+++ b/tests/meta_hooks/useless_excludes_test.py
@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ def test_useless_exclude_global(capsys, tempdir_factory):
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_useless_excludes.main(argv=[]) == 1
+        assert check_useless_excludes.main(()) == 1
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     assert "The global exclude pattern 'foo' does not match any files" in out
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ def test_useless_exclude_for_hook(capsys, tempdir_factory):
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_useless_excludes.main(argv=[]) == 1
+        assert check_useless_excludes.main(()) == 1
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     expected = (
@@ -78,7 +78,7 @@ def test_no_excludes(capsys, tempdir_factory):
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_useless_excludes.main(argv=[]) == 0
+        assert check_useless_excludes.main(()) == 0
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     assert out == ''
@@ -101,7 +101,7 @@ def test_valid_exclude(capsys, tempdir_factory):
     add_config_to_repo(repo, config)
 
     with cwd(repo):
-        assert check_useless_excludes.main(argv=[]) == 0
+        assert check_useless_excludes.main(()) == 0
 
     out, _ = capsys.readouterr()
     assert out == ''